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Not Just Another Day at The Office: An Interview with Kate Flannery

You most likely know her as Meredith Palmer, the socially inappropriate, hard-drinking, and sexually promiscuous supplier relations representative for the Dunder Mifflin Scranton branch on The Office. However, in real life, Kate Flannery is a multi-talented actress, comedian, singer, dancer, and improv performer. I got a chance to sit down with this extremely funny and talented lady to talk about her career, how she developed her various talents, her time on The Office, and what she’s been up to since.

Scott (GNN): All right. I’d always like to do a little history of the folks I interview. However, I’m doing this research on the internet, so…from what I read, you came from a pretty big family if what I read was correct.

Kate Flannery (KF): Yes. I’m the youngest of seven kids. My dad owned a bar in Philadelphia. We’re Irish. My grandparents were from Ireland. You do the stereotype. Yes (laughs).

GNN: Yeah. It was like five sisters and one brother. I was wondering if they kept trying until they had a boy, and then they were like, “Thank goodness.”

KF: Well, he was the second one. Yeah.

GNN: You just mentioned stereotypes. Was one boy in a family with six girls…was it the stereotype? I mean, did you gang up on him constantly?

KF: No. He felt like he was raised in enemy camp. I think he wanted a brother, but luckily, he had a son. So he’s okay.

GNN: I’m sure he’s okay.  So, from researching you online…I mean, you sing, you dance, you do improv, you act. Was entertaining something you wanted to do, right out of the gate?

KF: Yeah. Always. Right out of the gate. Yes. I am definitely a late bloomer. I didn’t get The Office until I was 40. But I’ll tell you, I worked at…after college, my aunt sent me a ticket to check out Second City in Chicago because she lived there and I got to stay with her. And I went and it blew me out of the water. I loved improv immediately. I was lucky enough to get to study at Second City and then I got hired by them and toured with the company. And the rest is, as they say, history because even though it was a long road to The Office, I met the greatest people. I did shows with the greatest people. We were part of a heyday that we didn’t realize at the time.

GNN: It’s kind of funny, because a friend of mine took some improv classes and when he graduated he invited me. And you know how your first experience with something kind of sours you on it? Like if you ever eat a food for the first time and it’s bad, you don’t even if it’s good. Then it’s, “Oh wow, I didn’t realize.” I went to that improv and I’m like, “Ugh. This is improv, huh?” But then my wife and I went to Chicago, and we went to Second City. And to see good improve…great improv…I’m glad I gave it another shot because it was hysterical.

KF: It’s true. The first time I ever went to Second City, Jane Lynch was understudying for Bonnie Hunt. She got married that night. She came back to do the improv set in her wedding dress with Mike Myers and several of the cast members over there. So my first experience was insane and wonderful (laughs).

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GNN: It seems like improve is difficult to learn. Is it a skill that can be learned 100%?

KF: It is definitely a muscle. I feel like it’s something you have to keep working. You don’t rest on your laurels because it’s really about patterns and listening and being a good team player. The best thing you can do is to support the scene and support the players, not yourself.

GNN: That makes sense. So you went to college at the University of the Arts in Pennsylvania. What did you study there?

KF: I studied acting.

GNN: Oh, okay.

KF: I studied musical theater for two years at Shenandoah University before that. It was a conservatory. I studied voice and dance and then I didn’t really dance or sing for a long time after that.

GNN: Yeah, I was about to ask. Was there an endgame in mind? Like, “I want to be in movies. I want to be on the stage.” What was your goal?

KF: Everything! But the first thing that was available for sure…I think I realized that to be a funny woman in musical comedy, which is usually what they call, “the second banana,” because there’s a lot of musicals from the ’50s and ’60s that had a funny second woman who was very funny. But then I felt like that category kind of got written out. They didn’t really… and I was like, “Oh, wait a minute. Maybe this isn’t the best time to do musical theater for me. If I want to do Broadway or whatever,” at the time. But anyway, it wasn’t like they were calling me and I was turning it down (laughs). I just found the process of learning improv, and then I got to do a lot of musicals that made fun of musicals (laughs) in Chicago theater, which kind of used all my skill sets and brought me great joy. I worked with Jill Soloway and Mick Napier at the Annoyance Theater. We did many, many shows: That Darned Antichrist, Manson: The Musical, The Miss Vagina Pageant, The Real Live Brady Bunch. All these fun things that were insanely fun to be a part of on a regular basis.

GNN: So how did you discover…The Annoyance Theater, the name alone… I saw that and I’m like, “This sounds absolutely hysterical.” Is that something you discovered or did they discover you?

KF: Well, it was one of the directors from Second City. It was his theater and I had a class with him, but he was directing me at Second City and then I actually got asked to understudy my friend, Susan, whose father had passed away very suddenly, so I had to learn a show in a day. So they came to me and the rest, as they say, is history.

GNN: And, excuse my ignorance of this, is the Annoyance Theater still going?

KF: It is. It is.

GNN: That’ll be a must-do on one of my trips to Chicago. So Second City, is that where you met Jane Lynch? I noticed in my research you’ve teamed up with her for See Jane Sing. Is Second City where you met her?

KF: Yeah. And that’s the first time I met her, and then I was her understudy at the Annoyance. And then we did some sketch stuff out here in LA after we moved out here. And then we did a benefit together right before she got Glee. I think I had just…I was on The Office a few years before that. And we sang together and then when Glee ended she got asked to do a cabaret show in New York, and she’s like, “I don’t want to do it by myself, will you do it with me?” And I was like, “Absolutely.” So the next thing I know, this was five, almost six years ago, we’ve been doing live shows ever since then. We did a Christmas album four years ago that did very, very well called Swingin’ Little Christmas. It was on the Billboard top eight for several weeks, and now we get to do these big Christmas tours, which is amazing. So, yeah, I mean, we were on a tour bus doing that two Christmases ago. I mean, it’s crazy. It’s crazy. We get to write our own material, and we got to play The Carlyle last year in New York.

GNN: Oh, wow. Nice.

KF: It was fantastic…just an amazing experience. We played The Kennedy Center and Joe’s Pub and The Lyric in Chicago and many really great venues. So, it’s a wonderful opportunity for me to sing seriously. Because I’d been singing for years…the last 20 years doing my lounge acts, my dying lounge act, my comedy act, The Lampshades.

GNN: Saw that.

KF: I didn’t get to sing without a wig on until Jane asked me, and I was like, “Maybe I can do this kind of as myself.” I mean, it’s not a hostage situation. It’s a lot of fun and a lot of comedy, but some of the singing is just singing. So, that’s kind of interesting. And then who knew I would get asked to be a part of Dancing with the Stars because I hadn’t danced since college. I was like, “I don’t know if I can do this.” And then quickly after the first elimination, I was the oldest contestant the whole time which was crazy. So at 55, I was like, “Oh, my God. I can’t believe I’m getting high scores, and I’m getting dirty looks from the 20-year-old females in the ladies’ room. Work harder, girls!” Anyway.

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GNN: Right. As far as Dancing with the Stars, did they just come to you and you’re like, “Sure, what the hell?” Or was it something more like, “Let me think about it”?

KF: I was going to think about it. I mean, we had a meeting; actually, it was like this time last year. It was literally right before the 4th of July, and they were very adamant. They wanted to meet before the 4th. Nobody meets right before the 4th of July. Usually, it’s like a six-day weekend here in LA for that. So yeah, and it just was like, “Okay. Here we are, off to the races.” And then I did not win, but I did get asked to do the tour, so I had been asked to do 54 of the 80 shows that they did. And then we actually got pulled off the road. We just did 45 of the 54 but that’s pretty good.

GNN: So, it’s funny…with the things I’ve seen Jane Lynch in…I didn’t watch much Glee, but I know she was the ballbusting coach, and you see her The 40-Year-Old Virgin, and she’s the ballbusting store manager, and then you see her in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, and she’s the ballbusting comedian. I don’t think of her as a singer. How early did you know she could sing?

KF: Right away. She sang on Glee a few times. I mean, I knew she could sing because we sang together in Chicago for The Real Live Brady Bunch. We did a lot of impromptu stuff. We sang in a skit show here in L.A. called For Entertainment Purposes Only back in 1996, so we’d sang together quite a bit, so I knew, yeah. She’s amazing. I mean, she’s so legit, and I feel like she really helped me step up my game.

GNN: Before this interview, I watched a YouTube video of the two of you in See Jane Sing. It was a medley called The Songs that Made Us Cry When We Were Kids Medley. I was like, “On this alone, if you come anywhere to Florida, I will go see the show based on that alone.”

KF: When Jane is doing live shows again, we will be there!

GNN: That is awesome. Now, back to The Lampshades, I went and I looked it up, and you were talking about how they were the best mock lounge act. So, I have to ask…The Lampshades versus Richard Cheese. Who would win?

KF: We’ve opened for Richard Cheese many times (laughs), many times. We are kindred spirits, we are. There’s a lot of us cover comedy people that have been in a lot of festivals together, so The Lampshades have opened for Puddles Pity Party, The Dan Band, many good bands. I think there’s a cover comedy land that we live in, and yeah, I mean, it’s been fun, because we get to do many different festivals around the country. We’ve gotten to do The Moontower Comedy and Oddity Fest in Austin, the Bumbershoot Festival in Seattle, Festival Supreme in L.A. at The Shrine, Jack Black runs, a lot of fun stuff, and it’s been a great way for me to kind of show up in weird places and just have a good time.

GNN: The stuff you do is hysterical. I’m going to have to check some of it out. All right, so in 2005, you’re on this little independent private show that ran for like a year or two. It was called The Office (laughs) and it’s funny…I noticed that you were in one less episode than everybody else.

KF: I was not in the pilot. Yeah.

GNN: Yeah, correct. So this is my one question. I’m going to write this answer down. This is me trying to get the scoop. Did you off the original Meredith?

KF: No, I did not. I actually auditioned for the part of Jan initially. Didn’t get it. And Alison Jones, the casting director is like, “I think you’re right for the show. I don’t know if this is the part, but I think you’re right for this.” So I guess there was not an original Meredith, so I was more of an addition.

GNN: Okay. Yeah. I was reading about the show and they said originally some of the background characters, like Creed and Meredith, were kind of just there, and they kind of blossomed.

KF: Creed was definitely… he was actually a background actor. He did not audition for the part. Initially.

GNN: Oh, really?

KF: Creed’s story is very different from mine. I actually auditioned and I was more in line with when…I mean, just initially I had stuff written about me. Meredith had stuff written about her initially, even though it took a long time for the audience to realize that she was an alcoholic.

GNN: And did you have any input into the character or did they basically have the character fully developed?

KF: Actually, no. I mean, although I feel like the fact that my father owned a bar, I feel like I come back home and I’m alcoholic quite honestly (laughs). And maybe I talked about him at the craft services. I don’t know. But we really didn’t find out until the Christmas episode in season two. We were supposed to find out in the Halloween episode, season two, but my whole storyline got cut. So that’s how it goes.

GNN: When it comes to a lot of shows, I usually get attached to the characters like Meredith and Kevin and Creed and Stanley. Each of you got your moment to shine. I mean, the “Meredith Fun Run for the Cure,” and storylines like that. The one storyline that I found funny was when the actor who played your kid in the Take Your Daughter to Work Day episode was the stripper in one of the last episodes. Did you know he was going to come back as the stripper? Was that something that surprised you?

KF: He’d come back for several other episodes. He was back for, was it family photo episode? And then he was back for the company picnic episode, but I think he was cut out. Meredith literally locks him in her van because he talks back. But yeah, I did not know that he was going to come back as a stripper. That kid, he actually was on the first couple of seasons of the show Mom with Anna Faris and Allison Janney. He’s a really good actor.

GNN: Yeah. It’s funny how well he plays that part. That is a situation that, I mean, I’m sure it’s happened in the history of time, but you just don’t even consider it…what happens if you’re a male stripper and you go into a party and your mom is one of the attendees? How hard is it to maintain composure sitting there with so many people saying so many outlandish things?

KF: I think that is one of my biggest struggles…it was my biggest struggle until I got to the other… just to not laugh, because if you laugh you ruined it. So, the job was to not ruin it (laughs). I was pretty good at not breaking though. I feel like I was not a big breaker, but I had to look…because I feel like in college, I would start to get the giggles that people were laughing and I had to really learn how to just like, Oh no, no, no, no, no, you’re ruining it. It’s like, don’t ruin it!

GNN: Right. It’s funny, now that you say that, it seems like a skill you need to develop in improv is that the funnier it gets, the harder it’s got to be to not break.

KF: You have to be more invested because the comedy is in the truth. So, you become more emotionally invested.

GNN: Makes sense. Makes sense. One thing I’m curious about…when you’re in the background. I mean, things are happening the whole time and you’re in the background. What are you actually doing in the background?

KF: In the first season, our computers didn’t work. They actually told us to bring paperwork. So, I was doing tax stuff and student work. I was just literally just doing grunt work that I hate doing at home. And I was reading big books like Ruth Gordon’s life story. I was hiding that among the papers. And then season two, our computers worked. So sometimes we were DM’ing each other, or I was in a dump out because my screen got shown a lot. So, I was playing solitaire a lot (laughs).

GNN: That was one of the things. It’s like you always seem to be playing solitaire! I was like, “Meredith looks like she gets to have fun!”

KF: Yeah. They gave us some fake files and I was like if there’s any chance you get she’s going to be on camera, I just made the decision and no one argued with me about it, so yeah. I want to have our little solitaire wars to see who would do better, so…

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GNN: So, if you could’ve played any other character, male or female, knowing their arch at the end, even a male if they could’ve changed it to a female role, who would it be?

KF: That’s a hard one because I really didn’t have any envy. You know what I mean? I knew I was in the right place and I had a great time every time I got done doing what I got to do. I don’t know. Dwight is a pretty interesting beast. Although, Michael Scott is the most genius character. I mean, I don’t know if I could’ve played Michael Scott if there was a Michelle Scott. Whatever.

GNN: Yeah, there you go.

KF: But just walking that line of just being just clueless and offensive but having a big heart. That contrast was played so well by Steve.

GNN: Yeah, and being good at his job. That was the craziest part. You’re asking yourself how this guy could be so clueless, but every time it actually came down to selling something, he was laser-focused. That was kind of the fun of it.

KF: And Dunder Mifflin, Scranton always had good numbers, to David Wallace’s chagrin. How did he do it (laughs)?

GNN: So, overall, I mean, I don’t know, because I’ve never done any acting, but when you were done and you looked at it, were you satisfied overall with Meredith’s story?

KF: I love the fact that over a long period of time that my character didn’t morph or suddenly have too much exposition. Because I think that happens with a long-running series. We did nine seasons and I’ve seen on other shows where sometimes someone’s talking and it almost feels like they’ve lost their character. I’ve seen that many times. And I just love the fact that I was still sort of coming out of the shadows in the background. I feel like they were still lining up some physical humor for me, which I was really proud of. I thought, “Well, we didn’t jump the shark with Meredith.” She never outwore her welcome.

GNN: No. And in her last little bit on the show, she does seem like the relatable one. I mean, at my first corporate job right out of college, I had a Meredith. I know exactly what her name is. I could say right now, divorced mom, drank every time we went to something, was the first one there drinking.

KF: I’m telling you, there are women who have come up to me that are like, “I’m the Meredith of my office!” I’m like, “Yes, you are.” Only a Meredith would be that loud and proud (laughs). So yes, I will drink to them.

GNN: Yeah. And that’s what you say at the end. You’re like, “Hey, come have a beer with me, sister.” I’m like, that is just a cool way to go out. I mean, as much as I loved Creed’s character, it kind of went a little off the rails. He ran off and he was hiding in the bathroom.

KF: Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there was… yeah, there was definitely a foothold in reality for Meredith.

GNN: Yeah. And that was cool. So the last question about The Office…I can’t even imagine how emotional the ending must’ve been. I mean, I’ve quit one job and then I’ve had two ended for me very abruptly. What were the emotions that went through your mind when it ended? And when did you know the show was coming to an end?

KF: Actually, Brian Cranston was directing the work bus episode and so we were literally on a lunch break from working on the bus and they told us. They said that the press was going to know in 20 minutes. They just wanted to give us a heads up because they figured people would be contacted for a quote or something. Just to give you a little bit of a heads up. And I just remember coming back after lunch and realizing we were all so…the proximity…we were all sitting so close to each other because you’re on a bus. And it was just so intense because I felt like I couldn’t hide my emotions. I was trying to just be kind of super prolific and get back to work, but it was so intense. And it weighed on all of us I think just to realize like, “Oh, my gosh. We have to…,” I mean, not that we didn’t enjoy every minute before, but really you have to be super present, and just be grateful for every minute left.

GNN: Right. I can’t even imagine. I mean, do you keep up with basically everybody, or nobody?

KF: Yeah, pretty much. We have ebbs and flows, but generally we’re all pretty connected, which is nice.

GNN: So, speaking of your castmates, one of the things you’ve been doing recently, and as a matter of fact, it’s funny you had mentioned you’d been to Orlando. There was an event which was going to happen in March, but then it moved to a new date, and then it was canceled, was MegaCon. Have you been doing a lot of conventions with your castmates?

KF: For the last year and a half. Yeah.

GNN: Yeah, and how many people think you’re actually Meredith Palmer?

KF: You know what? I’ve never taken a poll, but if they send me a drink on a plane or wherever, I do not, and will not, turn it down, it’s fine. You can just keep it up. It’s fine.

GNN: That’s a good point, and the character you played…some people have to play a-holes on TV and people look at them funny in public, but you got lucky! You’ve got, people who see you and say, “It’s Meredith! I’m going to send her a drink!”

KF: It’s happened many times. I’m telling you it’s crazy, and the fans are fantastic, and they’re getting younger and younger, more invested. It’s really a culture right now. I mean, The Office is number one on Netflix, and it’s crazy. I mean, people leave it on all the time, so they become very emotional sometimes when they stop me, and it’s not lost on me because I had fandom, especially when I was younger, for so many great comedy people. And I know how weird it is and risky it is because sometimes people are not all that you expect, so I totally respect their heart when they come up and tell me how much they love the show, or even if I’m not their number one, I don’t… but they have such an investment, and I totally respect and appreciate that.

GNN: Yeah. That’s awesome. One of the things I ask a lot of actors and folks who do these conventions is about fan interactions. For example, Weird Al, recently he started to meet and greets, and a guy took off his shirt, full back tattoo of Weird Al. Have you had any interesting fan interactions like that?

KF: I’ve had tattoos. I’ve had a few tattoos. In fact, in Florida, Supercon…yeah, on the leg I think. Yeah, I’ve had a few tattoos, and some of them are…there was one that was casual Friday, and boy, you could see everything. It was not we’re like NBC where they pixelated it. Yeah, I’ve been pulled into people’s wedding photos. I was in a hotel, and someone’s getting married. And I literally got pulled in to take pictures with the bride and groom. Crazy. That’s happened a couple of times, actually.

GNN: Wow.

KF: Yeah, I got asked to do a video for someone’s father’s funeral. He was a big fan of The Office. So that was an honor. So things mean a lot to people, and I do what I can.

GNN: Have you found out you have any celebrity fans?

KF: From time to time, somebody will come up to me. Julia Louis-Dreyfus was very kind the first time I met. There are a few people. Don’t get me started. No, but they’re fans of The Office, and they do understand subtleties. And it’s crazy. I mean, yeah, it’s very surreal. And time and time, it’s like, “Oh my God.”

GNN: All right. So, I looked at what you’d been up to recently, and you’d done Celebrity Name Game and Hollywood Game Night and, again, Dancing with the Stars. Are all those things…are they as much fun as they look to us?

KF: Sure, yes. Game shows are fun. I’ve had a good time. I mean, I’ve done Jane’s show a few times, and I just did 25 Words or Less. And there’s a few I was supposed to do that have gotten, obviously, pushed back because of the COVID, but it’s fun. It’s one of those things. I grew up watching games shows and, I mean, it’s an honor to be a part of. I mean, we did an episode Celebrity Family Feud. There’s a bunch of us, cast of The Office

GNN: Against the American Gladiators! I saw that!

KF: We started up against the cast of My Name Is Earl and then we beat them, and then we went up against the American Gladiators in the second round, which is hilarious. We almost didn’t win, and it was like, the producers were like, “What? You have to beat the gladiators! They’re a bunch of meatheads!” So, yeah, it was crazy, crazy, crazy. And yeah, I’ve done $100,000 Pyramid. I’ve done Match Game…the one with Alec Baldwin. Crazy, crazy, crazy.

GNN: Wow, with your game show experience and improv background…you’ve got to be a ringer now!

KF: Well, we’ll see. Age is not necessarily my friend at this point. We’ll see what happens. I’m not necessarily like a fine wine all the time.

GNN:  I find that hard to believe! Now, next question… the phone rings right now, and they say they’ll greenlight any project you’d like. What would you like for yourself?  For example, I asked “Weird Al” Yankovic about his dream project, and he’s done a lot of voice work, and he said he’d love to get a role in a Pixar film. How about you?

KF: Absolutely, absolutely. Well, I was lucky enough to work for Cartoon Network for a few years on OK K.O.! Let’s Be Heroes and I had a recurring role in Steven Universe. I played Barb, the postal worker, Sadie’s mom. And I love those people, and I had really had such a warm spot in my heart for Cartoon Network, so to get to work for them was really, really a blast. I got to play KO’s mom on almost every episode of OK K.O.! Let’s Be Heroes. It was so much fun.  We got to go to Comic-Con together, the one in San Diego, the real one, the first one, that was my very first Comic-Con, so I feel super lucky. I’ve had some really high-level experiences working with really, really talented writers and producers at Cartoon Network. So yes, Pixar would be fantastic. Yes, Pixar, or maybe a Broadway show on one of the networks, that’d be fun or a show that’s musical, that’s funny.

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GNN: Yeah. So, you’ve done stage stuff and you’ve done a television show. During a stage show you get the instant gratification…which one do you prefer? Or do love them both them both the same?

KF: Well, I love them all differently. It’s like having a bunch of kids, you’re going to make me pick? But seriously, they all scratch these really wonderful itches. As I said, I didn’t really sing as myself until I was older, and I didn’t dance, so I didn’t know I could do it. So, who knew I’d be hosting the tour of Dancing With the Stars at Radio City, 6,000 people, sold out, getting on a tour bus for seven weeks. I mean, it’s insane. It’s insane. I mean, my life is really crazy because I’m not that young, but I feel like I’m like a 15-year-old trapped in a 56-year-old body. And I just feel really fortunate and I…it doesn’t mean I don’t have my disappointments, but I feel being a little older when you get a big show like The Office, it really affords you the opportunity to just be in gratitude, as opposed to comparing yourself to other people. And I think that’s a big problem here in LA. And here in New York and Hollywood, there is a lot of comparing and despairing. And the thing is, everybody wants what they… there’s obviously, what they want to get, but do you really want what you got? You know what I mean?

GNN: Yeah. It’s kind of funny. It’s sort of like what Andy Bernard says at the end of The Office. “I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them.” As you said, you keep wanting something. “I want more, I want more, I want more.” And you look back, and you’re like, “Man, I didn’t enjoy anything I had.”

KF: Right. And I think it’s a skill to get there for sure. For sure. I mean, deep down, I’m just a bar owner’s daughter.

GNN: I mean, you’re an amazingly talented bar owner’s daughter. I’m sure every bar owner wishes he had a daughter as talented as you! Do you have any projects coming up that you can talk about?

KF: No. Everything’s been postponed at this point, unfortunately. So yeah, we’ll see. Yeah. I’m not sure. But I know as Jane mentioned, I had a big Christmas tour that just got postponed until next year. So I’m sure we’ll be live in a city at some point. I don’t know. Yeah. That’s about it for now.

GNN: Okay. And because this is for Geek News Network, I have to ask…what are you geeking out on right now? Movies? TV? What are you watching? Any recommendations?

KF: I love The Mandalorian. Oh, my god, loved it. And I used to improvise with Jon Favreau back in Chicago. And he actually directed an episode of The Office too, which is so awesome. But I just think it’s a really smart show. It has a throwback element. It just has a great vibe. I loved how simple and magnetizing, compelling it is. I’m trying to think of what else. I feel like I’ve been learning a lot. I’ve taken a couple of classes. I just finished a second. So, I took a writing class and a meditation class. I just feel like I’m trying to keep busy. I’m doing a lot of Cameos. A lot of people are asking for Cameo videos instead of going out and celebrating. So, that feels like an honor. Yeah. I don’t know. I’m trying to think. There’s a bunch of virtual stuff that might be happening, but I cannot talk about it right now. So who knows? I hope you understand.

GNN: No. I get it.

KF: Yeah. But I do have a little bit from the Peggy Lee Centennial last month on SiriusXM. I recorded something on Siriusly Sinatra that’s in the rotation right now. So that’s kind of fun. And I don’t know. We’ll see.

GNN: Well, that’s about it. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time. I really appreciate it.

KF: Yeah. Stay safe and thank you so much. I so appreciate it. Take care!

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